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March 31, 2009

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kipp

I'm sorry that you feel this way. We really don't mean to offend~

We're just trying to create a fun atmosphere where families can get a funky donut and get a little chuckle.

We welcome everyone, and if you want to come see for yourself, you be the judge.

Take care,

Kipp (co-owner of Psycho Donuts)

Cathy

I'm stunned. If the donuts are that good, they should sell without having to make anyone on medications (which is a lot of folks) or anyone who knows someone on medications (which is even more folks) or anyone who is related to someone with a mental illness (which is everyone else) feel degraded and assaulted. You're not overreacting. I'm always stunned at how little people react to the need to treat mental illness as a true human problem, not an opportunity for mean-spirited comedy.

Paul Yochum

It does sound insensitive and they probably never had a clue, i.e. as to sensitivity on disability issues. Sometimes it takes real life happenings to create this sensitivity about disability issues. I think that JFA is doing what they need to do to make this a learning situation. Who frequents places like this anyway?

Paul

Melissa

Coming from a background in which most of my family, including myself,has expereinced some form of mental illness, I have to say that I still DO NOT find this offensive.
I think that to chide this store for their theme is politically correct to the point of being censorship.
If you don't like it, then don't shop there. Let us focus on the bigger issues.

virgil@dacnw.org

I work in a Independent living center and have been diagnosed with having Bi-polar. I have a way of looking at things with a sense of humor. I feel that we should be more open to things. We work very hard to educate people in our community with stereo typing people with all types of disabilities. I feel that this is a great way to open up a dialog to discuss the pros and cons of such business. Their will always be people that find this to be very bad but I feel that it may be a way for all of us to have a better understanding and maybe look at the lighter side of things. I am hopeful that people will see this business as just that a business that is not trying to hurt people but have a lighter way of looking at such labels.

Lynn

It doesn't matter what the businesses intent was, it's the impact of their actions that will be felt by people with mental illness. If you're part of a particular group, you can sometimes use this kind of language and these types of images to poke fun at your own situation. When you're not part of that group, and you capitalise on lables and images that carry significant stereotypes in our society, you also bear the responsibility for the resulting colateral damage that using these words and images will bring. Children don't have the ability to sort out what is satire and what is serious. Hopefully, the children that play in the area that looks like a padded cell won't take that experience back to school and use it to marginalise a classmate who acts differently than they do. Using humor to make people laugh is a good thing, when it isn't at someone elses expense.

Dennis

Would those of you saying that a little humor is ok feel the same way if the theme of the donut shop was one of a slave plantation?

mark p.s.2

As someone who has experienced a bit of the horror of psychiatry, I don't see Psycho Donuts as funny . Psychiatric patients today in 2009 are still being tortured. Patients with less rights than a criminal. Ray Sandford is being forcably ECT'ed as an example.

Sherrie F. Eugene, Oregon

Small businesses have to find creative ways in order to make it. I think it looks like a light hearted, creative and fun place to go. I think we need to leave the little guys alone. Trust me, it is just causing more unspoken resentments and socially accepted challenges for us who do have such disabilities to have to deal with.
I never would have known about this donut shop without this advertisement!

Dave

I am very disapointed, shocked, and offended that the co-owner of this shop feels he is providing a place for families to come and "get a chuckle". When people are made aware of their ignorance and continue to promote it there is no reaching them. Perhaps if everyone who read this blog wrote them a letter they would realize they are not offending one or two people, but the entire disability community who eats a lot of doughnuts. ( I am speaking for myself there) Write these moorons at 2006 S. Winchester Blvd. Campbell, California 95008-3400 and tell them Dave sent you.

Jackie

Perhaps the owner of this shop would like to experience a stay at a mental health hospital. I just went through this experience with my newly diagnosed, possibly depressed, possibly bi-polar daughter. Sorry to see that the treatment you receive hasn't changed much in 30 years. There wasn't anything "funny" about it. As my daughter said to her counselor after her release, "You are at your lowest point, maybe in your whole life and they treat you like a criminal, a prisoner."
Psyco doughnuts is in very "poor taste"!

Adele

Nothing funny about this. It's not a matter of being politically incorrect - it's a matter of being totally insensitive. I would never go to this place and would not even want to get close to it. No matter what (and the owners may not recognize their insensitivity), making fun of any group - even unintentionally, is not light-hearted and fun.

Really?

Okay, so i agree that yes, the entire point of the IL movement is to break down attitudinal barriers and create civil rights for all.... including people with disabilities: But I think there comes a point when we get so caught up in who is being politically correct and who isn't that we make it impossible for people to approach us. What happened to being treated equal? Guess what guys- You heard of the show Queer Eye for the straight guy?
Have you ever seen the SNL spoofs on Ebonics? Have you heard a blonde joke? What about commercials that play on the fact that men don't ask for directions.
And to Lynn, I hate to say it: but wow what a double standard you have set. "if you are part of a particular group you can sometimes use this language to poke fun at your situation." So I can call myself crazy and joke about how I had an episode yesterday big enough to send me to the straight jacket, but Psycho donuts can't have a donut shop that doesn't single a person out specifically? Don't you think that a self on self crime of me using that language to poke fun at myself is worse? I certainly do. If a group of people can say it about themselves then I say that any group can use that language. Lets get back to the real issues here. Instead of being angry and trying to shut down some shop that isn't even making that much monet. I like the idea of Virgil, why don't we use this as an opportunity to educate.

Kristi Goldsberry

I had 4 stays at mental hospitals (1 month each) over a 10 year period. I can assure you they weren't much fun. I would avoid this place like the plague!

Kipp--Psycho Donuts owner.

Why do you not post all of the comments?

There are tons of people who are trying to post other thoughts and you are filtering it all out

You are totally biased!

(JFA Moderator Note: Mr. Berdianski, we have strict guidelines regarding what comments are unpublished. To the contrary we encourage lively discussion and disagreement. The comments posted here are, in fact, an authentic representation of what our community thinks and feels.)

Ruth

It's obvious that mental illness is not given the same consideration as other illnesses, such as Parkinson's Disease or Multiple Sclerosis. I think if a shop that sold donuts making light of those illnesses emerged it would immediately be crucified. Mental illness can ruin lives and lead to premature death. I agree that this "theme" is in very poor taste.

Steve J

Psycho Donuts is totally offensive.

We at Kill All Retards Transmission Repair here in Paramus NJ we are totally against this horrible treatment of donuts.

Please shut down this activity right away!

Melissa

I posted a comment about this last week. After being posted for several days, my comment has now been removed.
I can only assume that my comment was removed because it was not in agreement with the other comments posted here. Are you CENSORING your reader's opinions?
If so, then please let me know so that I may take my name off of your mailing list.

Melissa

I offer my sincere apologies - my comment was there after all!

E Teller

What's not explored much is that the donuts themselves are actually unique. The owners could be selling their elaborate pastries without offending others over such backward and insensitive themes.

Instead, this is what they came up with. They knew that the controversy would get them tons of free publicity. It's too bad they don't have more confidence in their expensive pastries as a stand-alone product.

So not only are they insensitive, they're also using us. Their psycho theme and the gimmick of disability is exploitative, and should be ditched.

We don't need to be used in their pursuit of profit.

http://baydisability.blogspot.com/2009/04/psycho-donut-shop-mocks-disability-for.html

Cassandra Kam

Dear Kipp,

I'm glad to see that you did decide to read the article and to respond to it on the JFA blog. However, I still feel that the theme of your establishment is not appropriate. How would it be any different from having a slavery-themed eatery with white people whipping blacks? I am all for fun and novelty, but I think that you may have missed the mark, even with good intentions. You may have a good product, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to support your company because of the way in which you are portraying those with a disability.

Crystal Osborne

Wow! I posted a comment with my thoughts on the subject, April 11th, and see that it has been removed. Here it is again, let's hope this time it stays.
"You are kidding me right? I applaud any person willing to take a stand or support a cause that helps those who cannot help themselves. I have had plenty of family members who were victimized by psychiatric practices going back to shock therapy to today's medicated frenzy. I know and believe there are better uses of your time than to attack the name of a donut shop. I have been to the donut shop, it is fun atmosphere, is a great place for local artists to hang their work. Your attack of this business is entirely unfounded. You are also attacking people's right of self expression. While it is important to be sensitive to others, it is also important for us to maintain our rights as American's to free speech. Your efforts currently does not support that, and you are most definitely one of the many who are taking away America's freedom. It's a name, you want to do something effective? Take on the FDA, a dear friend of mine is consistently taking on cases against the FDA for their approved practices you find so horrible. HE IS BEING EFFECTIVE. He wins some and he loses some, all in all each case helps thousands every day. You taking on a donut shop shows how effective you and your fight is. Picking a fight with a little guy trying to survive is pathetic. Using the media as your weapon shows even more what a coward you are. Fight the good fight, not this pitiful path you are currently on."

I LOVE THE DONUTS, AND I WILL BE BACK!

(JFA Moderator: Ms. Osborne, your comments are exactly where you left them: on the post "CA ILC Speaks out About Psycho Donuts." Thank you for your avid readership. The more passionate and informed members our community has, the more powerful we will be on all issues that affect us, big and small.)

Pat

People need to lighten up. This naming of the business was intended to be fun. And look how it is bringing out discussion of this subject. Now that I have seen the article I intend to frequent this place routinely.

cattr8

Exactly the point Pat. Baaa! Baaa! Go the ignorant masses going to Psycho Donuts now that they know how FUN it is from that cute little article. Gee whiz Marge lets put Mikey in the padded cell with the nurse with the hypodermic...oh don't worry it is only frosting dear...how cute! Sounds like real family fun to me. Good one city of Campbell! You have given me a good laugh. A good laugh at all the people out there that think the owners were doing something unintentional and meant ALL in fun. E Teller is completely right. Anyone who takes the bait of the store's mean spirited gimmick is merely being used by a cruel and yes...extremely tacky marketing strategy.

Dan

Psycho Donuts is completely offensive and should change their name. If they had wanted humor, they should have named it Cop Donuts.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1665324/psycho_donuts_in_cambell_california.html?cat=8

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